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Re: Population of the Imperium (Td V96#174)
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 96 11:39:54 -0400
From: Derek Wildstar <wildstar@qrc.com>
To: traveller@MPGN.COM
Subject: Re: Population of the Imperium (Td V96#174)
"Bruce Johnson" <johnson@tonic.pharm.Arizona.EDU> wrote:
> So I applied a massive overkill of technology (Sybase Sys 10 on a HP
> workstation, using expensive client-server applications) and put all
> of the fabled 'Genie sector data' into a database.
I did something similar a number of years ago, except I used SAS and a
spare IBM mainframe. What's very interesting is that I got different
numbers than you did ...
> Sectors included: 32
> Ley, Core, Deneb, Spica, Verge, Vland, Daibei, Delphi, Lishun,
> Magyar, Antares, Fornast, Hlakhoi, Corridor, Diaspora, Iwahfuah,
> Gushemege, Massillia, Ealiyasiyw, Dagudashaag, Dark Nebula, Reft
> Sector, Staihaia Yo, Alpha Crucis, Hinterworlds, Solomani Rim, Old
> Expanses, Empty Quarter, Trojan Reaches, Riftspan Reaches, Spinward
> Marches, and Glimmerdrift Reaches
I had 35 sectors, from the GEnie database. The data was from Early- or
Pre-rebellion sources, and so was closest to the Imperium at its height.
Here's the sectors, and the number of worlds in each:
World Distribution by Sector
SECTOR NUMBER PERCENT
------------------------------
AlphaCru 486 3.3
Antares 553 3.7
Core 545 3.7
Corridor 267 1.8
Dagudash 560 3.8
Daibei 453 3.1
DarkNebu 487 3.3
Delphi 346 2.3
Deneb 386 2.6
Diaspora 473 3.2
Ealiyasi 400 2.7
EmptyQ 311 2.1
Fornast 517 3.5
Glimmerd 350 2.4
Gushemeg 533 3.6
Hinter 435 2.9
Hlakhoi 393 2.7
Ilelish 451 3.1
Iwahfuah 411 2.8
Ley 387 2.6
Lishun 601 4.1
Magyar 516 3.5
Massilia 519 3.5
OldExpan 426 2.9
ReaversD 366 2.5
Reft 123 0.8
Riftspan 108 0.7
Solomani 400 2.7
Spica 451 3.1
Spinward 439 3.0
Staihaia 472 3.2
TrojanRe 327 2.2
Verge 234 1.6
Vland 532 3.6
Zarushag 496 3.4
> Total number of Worlds: 13,410
I get a total of 14,754 worlds (not all of these are Imperial).
> Total number of Worlds, by Allegiance
> Allegiance Number of Systems
> Im 7026
> As 1896
> Na 1293
> So 1058
> Dd 326
> Ma 261
> Li 258
> Cs 177
> Hv 177
> Va 113
> Jr 80
>
> These are the major ones, there are a number of other codes
> present in the data that I don't recognize. Hell, I don't recognize
> all of these! (Someone help please?)
Sure!
It looks like you're using the same raw data I was; the allegiances are
coded for the Rebellion. In particular, "Dd" is the Domain of Deneb, "Ma"
is Margaret's Faction, "Li" is Lucan's Imperium - all of which should
properly be part of the "Classic" Third Imperium. Here's my breakdown:
Distribution of Factions
FACTION FREQUENCY PERCENT
---------------------------
As 2020 13.7
Cs 166 1.1
Dd 651 4.4
Fi 490 3.3
Hv 177 1.2
Im 5354 36.3
Li 1093 7.4
Ma 298 2.0
Na 1388 9.4
Ot 1435 9.7
Rv 443 3.0
So 1069 7.2
St 148 1.0
Zh 22 0.1
Code:
As = Aslan; Cs = Client State; Dd = Domain of Deneb; Fi = Federation of
Ilelish; Hv = Hiver; Im = Imperial (unaligned or faction unknown);
Li = Lucan's Imperium; Ma = Margaret's Faction; Na = Non-Aligned (non
Imperial); Ot = Other (includes all Vargr Polities); Rv = Restored Vilani
Empire; So = Solomani; St = Strephon's Imperium; Zh = Zhodani
I then combinedthese codes to attempt to produce a reasonable pre-rebellion
Imperium. Here's what I came up with:
Pre-Rebellion Political Entities
POLITY FREQUENCY PERCENT
----------------------------
H 177 1.2
I 10497 71.1
N 1388 9.4
O 1601 10.9
S 1069 7.2
Z 22 0.1
H = Hiver; I = Imperial; N = Non-Aligned (non Imperial);
O = Other; S = Solomani; Z = Zhodani
> It's clear, though, that the Imperium consists of slightly fewer
> than 11,000 worlds, by about 36%!
Within some areas of the Imperium, alignment codes where used to indicate
ethinc regions and internal semi-autonomous districts. This also reduced
the count of "Imperial" worlds.
> Using the numbers here, the total population of the Imperium is as
> follows: Total Population 28,051,512,234,733
> Number of Worlds UWP Pop figure
> 536 10
> 323 9
> 470 8
> 606 7
> 621 6
> 732 5
> 711 4
> 596 3
> 506 2
> 403 1
> 1520 0
Here's my figures:
POPEX FREQUENCY PERCENT
---------------------------
33 0.2
0 445 3.0
1 751 5.1
2 1177 8.0
3 1474 10.0
4 2137 14.5
5 2249 15.2
6 2028 13.7
7 1666 11.3
8 1495 10.1
9 939 6.4
A 360 2.4
"POPEX" is the SAS variable name I chose for "Population Exponent" (in other
words, UPP population code). The blank are 33 worlds for which UPP data was
missing or invalid. Oddly enough, I have significantly fewer POP-A worlds
than you do, and also fewer population 0 worlds.
When I originally fetched data for my analysis, there were two sets of
files. One was an extensive and fairly complete set of "early rebellion"
files (which is what I based my analysis on, because I was interested in the
pre-rebellion Imperium). The other was a much later (and much less
complete) set of later rebellion files (perhaps adjusted - or partly
adjusted - for Hard Times). Did you use this latter set of data?
If so, I doubt that it reflects the Third Imperium.
I also did some breakdowns by sector and polity of the total population,
total Gross Planetary Product, and estimated tax revenues. Here's the data:
Sector Number PopulationK GPP-LMCr Tax-MCr
---------------------------------------------------
AlphaCru 486 1021307948 22879674748 167684616
Antares 553 661250083 10383843250 58911465
Core 545 743850576 16992427877 130330737
Corridor 267 267304301 3828214926 25703382
Dagudash 560 839332216 16987143149 131885570
Daibei 453 1008292340 21341417927 151036533
DarkNebu 487 635816272 5882258364 28013721
Delphi 346 585112171 7945604790 39449041
Deneb 386 628549145 11848395657 66508165
Diaspora 473 458014942 8123337764 51882974
Ealiyasi 400 555687307 10338275615 69075677
EmptyQ 311 252354900 2310113101 7502564
Fornast 517 502146085 10441532278 67808891
Glimmerd 350 729271555 10836740366 60209223
Gushemeg 533 543900688 9426273901 67602201
Hinter 435 352263798 5034877405 23875377
Hlakhoi 393 519502525 8073331320 38827646
Ilelish 451 953180936 21665801766 171251650
Iwahfuah 411 341174085 5564840177 27838096
Ley 387 593430885 7973360158 49062914
Lishun 601 856767050 17979182790 129838475
Magyar 516 545431324 9299408662 50726316
Massilia 519 1028922716 21973638063 174656173
OldExpan 426 1501846765 27940062653 210674879
ReaversD 366 666034479 9643721982 57576312
Reft 123 153285010 2547384925 15878937
Riftspan 108 251235776 5334119122 38738350
Solomani 400 1694555089 33426886232 272073579
Spica 451 403666465 6101674500 35695206
Spinward 439 436803660 6224379801 33251777
Staihaia 472 348598338 5987084882 36449008
TrojanRe 327 544441030 8846448351 58032679
Verge 234 246953079 5162271741 32510631
Vland 532 1018973320 18178477927 117754510
Zarushag 496 334669561 5037467301 26279001
---------------------------------------------------
ALL 14754 22223926420 401559673471 2724596278
This is overall (all polities). Population is in thousands (so that's a
total of 22,223,926,420,000 sophonts). GPP is in _local_ credits (not
converted to the TL-15, Starport-A "Imperial" credit). The TaxMCr _is_
in "Imperial" standard credits; that's the amount of tax paid to the
interstellar government.
Here's the breakdown by Polity. "I" is the Imperium.
Polity Number PopulationK GPP-LMCr Army-LMCr Navy-LMCr Tax-MCr
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
H 177 194828490 3443011755 20049438 52253777 22238957
I 10497 16731817153 317425396400 2236702704 4429229399 2194749587
N 1388 1703549781 19264207248 141668967 262879329 109535364
O 1601 1971765543 30705501643 219838421 424977020 182035162
S 1069 1597654682 30450701865 176720305 462744319 215035232
Z 22 24310772 270854559 2274241 3413703 1001976
The "Army-LMCr" and "Navy-LMCr" are the funds available (in local credits)
for locally-raised army and system-defense units. These units would
ordinarily be under the control of the worlds that raised them, and are IN
ADDITION to the Imperial (or other empire) military. The Tax-MCr column
gives the funds available to the Imperium for it's own Navy, Marine, Scout,
and Imperial Army forces. These are in Imperial (TL-15, starport-A)
credits.
> So now, David's numbers of 5,625,000,000 MCr in ships, and
> 160,000-4,400,000 MCr per Month on Salaries can be put into real
> taxation terms.
It looks like these are easily supported under the Imperial budgets, and
local defense and anti-piracy forces can easily be supported in addition.
> Navy for capital ships and crew alone as 308,610,000 MCr / year.
> That means the average Imperial citizen pays (let me check my number
> of zeros, here) 77,296 Cr annually for the munificent protection of
> the Imperial Navy.
By my figures, it's about 14% of the Imperial tax revenues; about 18.45
Credits a person a year.
> It's quite possible that one or more of us is off by a significant
> number of decimal places. I'll have to recheck my figures and see;
> but I am pretty confident of those population figures.
I think your source data is suspect, and the allegiance coding is making
your Imperium be far too small.
Here's one more thing that should prove useful for defense analists. It's a
breakdown of the Imperium by TL and starport type, showing number of worlds
of that type, total population and GPP (local credits) as well as local
defense and Imperial taxes (Imperial taxes are in Imperial credits).
Polity Imperium
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
TL Port Number Population GPP-LMCr Army-LMCr Navy-LMCr Tax-MCr
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
0 A 1 0 0 0 0 0
B 4 0 0 0 0 0
C 2 0 0 0 0 0
E 3 0 0 0 0 0
X 15 60702 0 0 0 0
1 C 1 800000 0 0 0 0
D 2 580000 0 0 0 0
E 5 166000 0 0 0 0
X 23 1857464 0 0 0 0
2 B 1 0 0 0 0 0
C 1 3000 0 0 0 0
D 6 209805 0 0 0 0
E 15 2365432 0 0 0 0
X 16 2960300 0 0 0 0
3 C 7 142080 0 0 0 0
D 22 3716592 0 0 0 0
E 28 7540632 0 0 0 0
X 16 2493013 0 0 0 0
4 B 3 108000 0 0 0 0
C 19 4682167 0 0 0 0
D 71 7501678 0 0 0 0
E 55 6018435 0 0 0 0
X 24 8272044 0 0 0 0
5 B 8 1069002 2297282 19297 28946 827
C 58 14746169 34763899 191143 538899 9386
D 83 12102544 24357733 192085 319427 4384
E 123 7741626 15156566 126369 191919 1364
X 28 1597671 2687462 15720 40716 242
6 A 2 82000 622080 5225 7838 560
B 43 4827035 19892457 166987 250755 14323
C 151 31470953 128320219 849911 1844814 57744
D 114 35941280 151067660 1236976 1935444 54384
E 147 27232902 126315749 928440 1724191 34105
X 24 144108221 589499102 4822014 7557466 159165
7 A 4 3174000 26683184 224139 336208 48030
B 89 9668207 71867327 603684 905531 97021
C 274 131843203 775730564 6451911 9838428 698157
D 152 91505940 722267294 6047523 9120093 520033
E 202 78754157 483254993 3477097 6671257 217465
X 30 16282454 90392833 756843 1141406 40677
8 A 23 14259234 115054654 966386 1449762 310647
B 196 39299126 364650465 3055235 4602425 820463
C 362 168470119 1393102891 11305547 17949610 2507584
D 173 69367345 558124363 4626652 7093959 753468
E 204 162622966 1229888670 9751904 16075756 1106900
X 22 19282091 181366308 1479139 2329552 163230
9 A 56 10663195 127321316 1064747 1609001 458357
B 308 98921450 1025648301 8122653 13415958 3230792
C 435 288247359 2981562823 24104147 38508677 8050217
D 180 254035437 2401722624 19384549 31051627 5403874
E 160 292940797 2956480838 21754027 40332066 5321663
X 17 12931221 124502536 406072 2208480 224105
A A 135 26881005 369727939 3063882 4700401 1663776
B 427 123748030 1634469884 12642791 21681068 6619602
C 457 306969612 4385055982 36178481 55907703 15786200
D 139 311794632 3716567214 22422694 55625206 11707185
E 139 290309668 3736179850 30963146 47496615 10087683
X 7 8514700 113668400 187088 2199948 306905
B A 158 83582396 1187343086 9848407 15085794 6411650
B 518 386739789 5947123964 46349575 78540026 29438261
C 393 421463161 6455362479 45853355 89709254 29049128
D 73 106188510 1579635393 10900891 22271447 6397521
E 99 413869036 6186253980 45202346 84708988 22270512
X 4 70380000 984143999 8264410 12402612 3100053
C A 238 285255970 5243546801 42831382 67283068 33034342
B 579 635189096 11150947722 74791827 159378019 65233038
C 309 277104774 4852678280 38926397 62979836 26204460
D 35 371114696 7091376321 46985279 101933591 35102312
E 41 519031356 9360143981 75240846 121322153 42120644
D A 244 536411000 10421476686 72135324 146715629 75034626
B 484 492104682 9197628276 70192142 122957997 62083982
C 168 755741858 13756104967 108352113 180526039 86663454
D 18 372000633 8485927063 49402479 128801953 49642675
E 9 210000000 4888799190 29550510 73114239 26399517
X 1 70 1008 8 13 5
E A 388 1197545498 25561529521 195194231 341597742 207048338
B 455 770484062 16321797691 128429451 214328192 124861721
C 98 576919806 14425146640 105470633 197457392 103861052
D 7 90000009 2259199846 18977278 28465905 15249598
E 8 220000205 5312002773 31825906 79726112 33465618
F A 485 2057697253 46943225769 353925632 631881957 422488919
B 251 1211548070 30258234622 193112777 442310051 258707866
C 33 526002372 12930759838 57950381 213595536 104739156
D 4 70000000 1724799489 2173247 34047535 13194718
E 1 0 1 0 0 0
G A 55 629559473 16861332211 104005742 250082149 166927119
B 21 285000680 7358603343 33215632 121315021 69538786
H X 1 0 0 0 0 0
Enjoy!
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